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Unread 08-11-2011, 06:45 PM   #1
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I am presently on 8mg of Suboxone and I have been for awhile...it has become pain management in a sense for me because of a car accident in March of 2010. I am also on 1-2mg of Klonopin daily for panic disorders and anxiety. I guess I am wondering is there an end in sight for me as far as medication is concerned in the future...can anyone relate? I am more afraid to get off the Benzo now than i am the Suboxone...I went without due to a doctor mistake for about 3 weeks and it was an awful withdrawal, it was like my hearing was effected and my brain was all muddled. I don't know if I am making any sense. I am moving North from the far South and I hope that I will be ok as far being on both medications. I hope they will be ok with it.
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Unread 09-05-2011, 08:21 PM   #2
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Hi patrick
I am on same dosage 8mg of suboxone 8mg an 1-2mg a of klonipin a day. My doctor knows and this is week 3 and no problem. I do know how you feel I am wanting one day to be free of both medications. First I want to taper the Sub then work on klopin but I have used it for panick and anxiety and works well. Well good luck to you and I will try in the future to deal with the klonipin. take care.

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Unread 09-06-2011, 12:32 AM   #3
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sub and klonopin are often prescribed together. I take both....but I only take the klonopin as needed. I'm sure there will be a day when we can be totally free.
..but its a long road and right now these medicines are so much better for us than other formerly used substances.
theres hope..I'm sure if it
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Yeah much better then our formely used substances. At First I thought one medication to another but in reality sub is not like that and makes me live a more productive life. Klonipin I never abused it really helps my anxiety uner control and makes me sleep fine now. I beleive one day we will be free of all too
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Unread 10-10-2011, 03:28 PM   #5
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I'm on Suboxone and Klonopin also. I didn't realize it was so common. I've been on Sub for a year and I'm down to 4 mg a day now. I had been on Ativan for several years. I started at 0.5 mg and was up to 3 mg by the time I went on Sub. I took the Ativan to go to sleep though. The doctor I had before put me on that and it worked well (except for having to raise the dose over time). I've always had trouble going to sleep. The doctor tried several other meds for sleep and none of them worked well. I didn't want to take Ambien because of the stories I had heard. Anyway, my Sub doctor didn't like me being on Ativan because he said it was too short-acting. So he put me on 2 mg Klonopin per day (just a few months ago). I don't like it so far. It doesn't seem to make me sleepy or if it does, it takes a couple of hours. I see that most of you are taking Benzos for anxiety and I understand that is mainly what they're for, but I've had several doctors over the past few years who have prescribed a Benzo specifically for sleep. I don't take them during the day. There have been times in the past when I was on a smaller dose and would sometimes run out a couple of days before the refill. I recall those days without being miserable and not being able to sleep, so obviously I was physically dependent. But those were the days when I was abusing other drugs such as pain killers and ADD meds.

Having said all that (TMI, I'm sure!), I'm worried that I'm going to be dependent on a Benzo for the rest of my life. I wouldn't say I'm addicted (like I definitely was to opiates), but I'm probably physically dependent. Is that something I can live with long-term? I don't know.
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Unread 11-14-2011, 12:19 PM   #6
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Well on the bright side of things I was able to find a doctor who is working on managing me on both my medication presently. But I have decided to start taking Gabapentin to lower my Klonopin dose and hopefully taper off of it completely in the future. I did have to increase my Suboxone dose about 4mg in order to do this but in the long run I hope it will work. I am going back to school in January so I am really hoping I can do this allbeit over some time. Then I will approach lowering my Suboxone dose which overall seems easier than the Klonopin for me presently. Wish me luck!
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I am from the old country. I use boiled milk as a sedative and it works also as a sleeping aid also.
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Unread 05-14-2013, 04:20 PM   #8
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Hi Patrick. Glad to hear you found a doctor to work with you. I have been on suboxone for three years and am prescribed Klonipin. I only take it as needed, which isn't too often, but I am allowed four pills a day. Yes, it is common for these medications to be prescribed together. Good luck to you and on your move. Julie
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I am from the old country. I use boiled milk as a sedative and it works also as a sleeping aid also.
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Unread 05-14-2013, 06:09 PM   #10
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Unread 05-27-2013, 08:52 PM   #11
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Good Afternoon, I too am taking Suboxone and Clonipin and I'm having no problems with the combination. I will say that withdrawl from Benzos is different from Opiates- and is dangerous. It is important that you have a physician monitor your dose and withdrawl. Good Luck.
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I was on Sub & went to my Sub doc who stopped prescribing Sub due to hassles from the FDA, but I went because I had severe spasms, and he put me on tons of Klonopin. So much so that I decided to go away to detox & rehab to get off of the Sub because we were positive that the Sub was causing the spasms. They also treated me with Klonopin at the detox-- which was useless to me because I didn't start detoxing until I got to the rehab!!
Once at rehab-- the psychiatrist tapered me off Klonopin because they don't like to prescribe such meds. But-- she had to end up putting me back on. I'm on 2mg 3X daily.
But-- point is-- I too was prescribed Klonopin while still on Sub, too, and it was not a problem.
Since I am off Sub and on Klonopin now, I will start to pay closer attention to this forum as well as the Suboxone forum.
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I used to be prescribed Xanax, and it was a bitch to get off however it was easier to stay off of then opiates. I'm a big against benzos unless someone absolutely needs them. They definetly make anxiety worse once you stop them an it takes a while for your body to reboot. Doctors don't realize how much they mess up body chemistry, in addition they aren't approved for long term use but most doctors prescribe them for years and years to patients. I
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Amen Bisbey, I have been on bentos for years and tried to quit several times. Supervised tapering, jumping, it made no difference. I simply can't do it.
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Hello fellow suboxone/klonopin people. Long story short...
My name is Kayla. Today is 12/4/14, I started suboxone on Monday 12/1/14 so today is my 4th day. I was on anywhere from 60-120 milligrams of oxycodone a day prior to this for 5 years. I have also been on klonopin for 13 years now. My dr has lowered my klonopin intale from 2 milligrams to 1.5 milligrams and started me at 8 milligrams of suboxone the first day and 12 milligrams the 2nd and 3rd day. I felt way better the first day then I did the following 2. So today I am going to try and only take 8 milligrams. 4 I just took this morning and I'll take another 4 in a few hours. I'm not sure if 12 milligrams is to much or if its not enough, idk what is goin on with my body. Could it jist be I'm obviously not used to the sub yet? Also, yesterday I knew I needed anotjer milligram of klonopin and I called the dr who told me absolutely not. I see alot of u are on higher doses of klonopin with the sub, so I guess if I feel I need an extra milligram I should be fine? Any tips? Thanks in advance....
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Being prescribed Sub and/or Klonopin is not a problem as long as you are being legally prescribed it, and can afford it for the long haul, and aren't abusing either one.
However, IMO, the moment you have to get off of either unexpectedly, life will become a living hell, and you'll wish you were dead instead of having to go though withdrawal, getting off & facing life without any medication going forward. That's the problem with physical dependence and addiction. It's going to come to an end one way or another-- NONE of which are good.
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Unread 12-05-2014, 06:59 AM   #17
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Hi Kayla541, welcome. Buprenorphine (active ingredient in Suboxone) has a half life of around 37 hours, so it builds up in your system. When you say you felt better the first day, could you explain that a little more? At first blush, in my opinion, it could be that 12mg is too high of a dose. Were you taking the oxycodone for pain or were you addicted to it? Sorry for all of the questions.

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Unread 12-18-2014, 07:10 AM   #18
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Hi everyone! I haven't been on in a long time but I have been on 5 different bentos over 10 years and 12mg of sub for 5. I am now down to 4 mg sub and 5 mg of Valium. (real quick, if anybody plans on tapering off benzos of course do it CAREFULLY and stay in close contact with your doctor-but also read the Ashton Manual. You can find it doing a quick google search-it helped me feel more secure) Now this is only my opinion, but if you are already dependent on Benzos, I think you may as well be on the right dose for you. no matter what it will be difficult to get off but if you slowly taper you will be fine. But if you're not ready, it won't work IMO. Kind of like quitting smoking. If you have anxiety and a benzo works for you, do what works. I went through so much crap being in AA because (in my experience) my sponsor told me I wasn't sober if I still took medication. B.S. If you're not abusing it, and taking it as prescribed you are fine. Your meds are your business. What if you were schizophrenic, would they tell you to go to a meeting when you lose reality? Or bipolar, would you have to give up lithium and potentially put your life at risk? Ok sorry I just think of that and I get angry. Now I'm a woman, so if I want a baby, and I do, I should technically try to get off everything, but it is much better that your body and mind be stable so that's a personal choice and there is no wrong or right answer. Ok now, the suboxone. Everyone is different, but I wish to God that they had used it for a short time on me and I would have been done a long time ago. But if you are going to be on it for awhile, I really really think you should be on the lowest dose possible. I hear of people being on 32mg for several years and it makes me want to backhand their doctor. I personally think ( and please feel free to correct me, this is my opinion ONLY but if you are going to be on a maintenance dose you may start off high but you shouldn't need more than 8mg). More likely less. Bupe is so powerful that in the UK they use it as a painkiller at 1/25 of 1 mg. 2mg will block 2 80mg Oxys. Also, and this is crucial, It may not Block ALL OF YOUR W/D symptoms. 5 years in and my eyes and nose still run and I yawn all the time. This has been true even at 16 mg. It is different for everyone's body chemistry. Now don't get me wrong, Bupe saved me. But I have gained weight, lost jobs, been treated like crap once I reveal I'm on it-one doctor made me go through an endoscopy and colonoscopy completely sober, and I have never felt such pain. You'd think we'd be praised for getting out of the addiction fueled life we lived in, but no, they expect us to go cold turkey. I am almost done with 6 years of school to be an addiction specialist, and I haven't even started my internship because nobody will take me while I'm on Suboxone. But narcotics are all around me, both parents take them, and relapsing would be so easy.i feel safer this way, and I think that is a much more responsible choice then jumping off and going through W/D with Percocet in the next room. Man sorry about this little novel I've been writing, I didn't realize I had so much to say. I was going to talk about add meds and interactions but I'm sure there is a post started somewhere anyways. But to EVERYONE on here, no matter what your Bupe regimen is, you are all so strong and brave to kick the high, and I am proud of each and every one of you. Also, Nancy is a godsend. She helped me more than any doctor I've ever met. This is a great place to come if you are in recovery. xoxo!!! Lily
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Unread 12-18-2014, 12:15 PM   #19
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Lily!!! Look at you almost done with school! Do you have to disclose that you take Suboxone or they drug for it when you apply for internships? That's too bad they don't understand that it's not a bad thing to take a medication as prescribed. I wish there was some place that would work with you on that.

I hope you are doing well! Happy Holidays!!

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