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Unread 09-23-2015, 12:45 PM   #401
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Well, tomorrow I have what will be my last appt with the guy that operated on my neck.

Then it is off to see two other drs for their opinions about the surgery. One Dr will be the guy that I had seen before who put injections in my back but was adamant that surgery would not be something he would think about doing. He told me that eventually I would need surgery due to the pain but surgery now would most likely make my back hurt worse. And that Dr, who was an Ivy League educated Dr, never said one word about taking a look via an MRI at my cervical spine mainly I suppose I never had the first complaint regarding that area of my back/neck. That is the only place the guy that cut on me focused on. I told him I had an apt with the Dr I had seem for me back in a matter of days but he ignored that, never sent for that Drs records nor consulted with the only back Dr I had seen. He knew if I was discharged from the hospital as expected there would be no following up with him. I am still somewhat puzzled as to how the hospital got my insurance to pay them. I went to the ER on Monday and was getting out that Thursday or Friday because I had seen all the specialists I was actually admitted thru the ER to see. Then, when eager to operate Dr decided that operating on my cervical spine(and that was before he even ordered and got the results of the MRI on my cervical spine) was in order and would help with the pain in the rest of my back(the last fully formed disk I have is L5-S1 and in those vertebra I suffer from arthritis so I still feel so foolish to have believed that guy could help my low and mid back pain by operating in the cervical area and he got around to looking at my previous MRIs two days after he scheduled me for surgery) then despite the fact that I was to be released, the hospital kept me around for an extra 3 days and 3 nights(over the weekend) just so the guy that I was not originally there to see could perform an elective surgery on my back that Monday. I am not sure how the hospital justified keeping me in a private room for an extra 3 days just waiting on Monday's surgery. Like I said, the reason I went to the ER had to do with back pain issues but the ER Dr admitted me because of my vitals. He had them perform a Cat Scan with contrasting dye of my torso. He said he was concerned about the possibility of an aortic aneurysm. They found a spot on the lung, something to do with the entrance way into my butthole and some live issues that no doubt were related to all the pills I took that had loads of acetaminophen in each tablet. That has caused what they termed as mild cirrhosis of the liver. So I saw a gastroenterologist, a pulmonary specialist and because my Creatinine(sp) levels were so high they had a kidney Dr drop by. But that went back to normal levels the next day and the kidney Dr chalked the elevated level to the contrast dye(talk about one hell of a 15 second hot-flash).

So after seeing all those specialist and the lung Dr telling me to follow up with him to make sure that spot on my lung was not growing and thus need a biopsy and the gastro Dr telling me I needed a colonoscopy since I am 59 and had never had one. I can imagine needing one considering for 30 yrs I took the kind of drug that constipated me or opened the flood gates when I did not have them aka wds. So I was either crapping like a goose or not crapping at all unless I strained big time. That could account for the thickening of the opening of my rectum as seen via the CT Scan. But other than that, the spine dr consult was more of an after thought on the part of my hospitalist who was basically my Dr while I was there. He ordered all the meds I took. When he asked me if I would like to have a spine consult. I had no idea the guy had been let go from his former practice(actually they wanted him gone so bad that they bought him out. He owned a portion of the practice. The guy that left with him owned nothing but bills that collection agencies were calling about. That seems strange hearing that a neurosurgeon in actual practice had bill collectors calling the practice. That girl I know that worked there was told to tell the bill collectors he was operating on a patient LOL. I was told he was a Yes man and that makes sense knowing the other Dr. He is a NO man except when it comes to surgery. When they were booted or lets say their contract was not re-upped, they thought they would go to Erlanger in Chattanooga, a level I trauma center, and be their go to spine trauma surgeons. That notion never got past the notion phase. So they pack up and set up shop in Cleveland tn where I was in the hospital. I don't know how they lost hospital privileges 30 miles south of Cleveland but are now the go to guys for spine surgery in Cleveland. That is the thing about Drs. They are so reluctant to speak ill of a colleague during a reference check even though they would answer no to the question, would you have him back.

So after I am done and, for all intents and purposes, get a clean bill of health regarding the concerns my admitting Dr had at the time, in walk twiddle dee and twiddle dumb to speak to twiddle dumber. Within ten minutes I was convinced that I was about to go thru a summer pain free for the first time since 2006. I was pain free for yrs before that but only because of the 400mgs per day of methadone. Surgery was scheduled that morning for Monday, about 4 days later. I told him I had an apt with my spine dr in Knoxville and that he and one other dr I saw were adamant that surgery on my back at that time was not the way to go. I saw the dr make a face as if he was saying those drs don't know what there are doing or talking about. So, instead of being discharged and sent home that day, I was kept fri, sat, sun and cut on Monday then released Tuesday and have been in more pain that at any time concerning this back. The reason its more pain is because I still hurt in the areas I always have but now that I have a collapsed inter-body device that is causing me headaches, neck pain and shoulder pain esp between the shoulder blades. I just do not know how the hospital was paid those extra days just having me do nothing except wait till surgery. I actually waited in the hospital to have surgery a heck of a lot longer than I did to actually have and then recuperate from the surgery.

The second dr I am going to see is the head honcho MD at the spine center where my surgeon worked and was let go. And it was due to him being quick with the scalpel and other drs in the practice having to go behind him to correct surgeries he had performed and because it was deemed to be a correction of another drs work insurance would not pay for the second go around. Now here I am having to have surgery number two to take out what was put in during surgery number one.

But I will see him tomorrow with a copy of his records in hand. My questions are going to come directly from what he has written in his notes such as how is it possible for me to continue using a bone stimulator as he had written after each visit when he never order me one. and before each visit I would get a call to confirm my apt and each time the girl would ask me if I was still using the bone stimulator. I always told them I was never given one. Then in June the girls did not ask me if I was still using the stimulator, the actual guy that never ordered me one ask me that same question. I was pissed by then. But even that day he wrote in his notes from that visit that he advised patient to continue wearing bone stimulator for four hrs a day for the next year. I don't know if they are related but also in his notes beside the collapse on the interbody device, he wrote delayed fusion at C6-C7. The bone stimulator does just that I suppose. It stimulates bone growth and helps the fusion process. Its no coincidence I don't think that I have delayed fusion and was never given a bone stimulator upon leaving the hospital. I mean if the stimulator was not of significance then why would I be asked faithfully at each visit post op if I was still using the stimulator as directed. Well he finally ordered one after the last visit when he learned he had not ordered it but since he ordered it 6 months after the surgery my ins refused to pay for it.

Tomorrow will be interesting. I am asking him for sure why he is not at his former practice in which he was partial owner. Then I am going to tell him I am being referred to that practice as well as I am seeing the Dr I told him about in the hospital that said surgery at this juncture would cause me to have more pain, not less and I would most likely be more immobile post surgery than pre surgery. And I am going to tell him that at no time did any spine dr I saw in the past 9 yrs ever suggest getting a looksee at my cervical spine. Nor did they, given the reason for my lower back issues as seen via two MRIs done 6 yrs apart, for sure brought up even a remote possibility of fixing my lower back by going thu my neck to get at the only portion of my back that never caused me the first bit of discomfort.

So, we will see how long it takes him to show me the door. It will take at least an hour because that has been the fastest he has come in the exam room after his tech has taken xrays for him to see.
Time before last he was 90 minutes late getting to the office and that is the only thing he does those days. Last time I stopped clock watching when the tech stuck her head in the exam room after a while and said he should be here in a minute. I said you mean here as in this room I am in, or here as in this city. She said here as in the building. I was the only patient being seen in his office one day and he was 90 min late walking into the exam room. No apologies no nothing. The apt was at 10am and they actually asked me if I could be there earlier to go ahead and get the xrays taken. That visit I was looking forward too because at the previous visit he said he was going to order me into physical therapy with disk decompression and traction. I felt since he told me I could umpire three months after surgery and it was getting close, then supervised PT would be a good thing. Well after being late 90 minutes he sat there for five minutes then stood up to leave. He had his hand on the door knob and I asked him about the PT he was going to order. He said we'll just do that next time and left. Told his nurse to give me some exercises to do at home. She asked me at that point if I was still using the.....yep you guessed it. My next apt was going to be after he cleared me to umpire. So I umpired a few days before my next visit with him. Every visit prior to that one, I was told that things were healing well. After I had umpired was the very first time he told me the screws in my back had moved. He always used the word moved. It was in his notes that I read collapsed.

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Unread 09-23-2015, 04:00 PM   #402
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Hi Wayne, I would you could film him or at least tape record whatever he says after you tell him everything. Can't wait to hear his response. Or lack of response.

When are the other appointments?

Good luck, actually good luck to the 'doctor'. He's going to need it after you get done with him.

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Unread 09-23-2015, 07:29 PM   #403
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Hi Wayne,

Please, I hope you take this the right way. The way I mean it, I mean---which is with respect and support and, above those, kindness.

I totally get that you're really freaking angry at this guy, as well you should be.....have a right to be, in fact.

Moreover, I also totally get that you want some kind of recompense, especially emotionally, for all the pain, the problems, and the whole crappy everything that he's responsible for putting you through.

Hell, the guy ought to be in the damn pen for the bullshyte he's pulled. Clearly, he is not a good doc and, even worse, he isn't a good or decent human being. He's a selfish prick, sounds like---to be as clear as I can be.

Yet.

I hope you're not subjecting yourself to just more aggravation, more anger---you know? The rage you feel is, I think, pretty damn justified. Yet to go back to this guy and, in a way, return to the chaos and discord and plain old bullshit, well Wayne, I just wonder if this is not making your OWN life more complicated.

I'm not suggesting that you just give the guy a pass. No way. It's just, sheesh man, I don't know, you've been through so much crap, for such a long time, I'd sure like to see you find some PEACE for a change.

Let it go? No, not let it go legally. The bastard needs to suffer the consequences of his poor judgment and, worse, his despicably immoral behaviors.

But maybe Let It Go emotionally. How does a person just stop being angry? Just stop being enraged? I don't know. I mean, not for me to tell you how to do that.

If I even knew.

I just wish you could. Forgive? Yeah, I guess that's what I mean. Make him pay, sure---but then cut the whole g.d. thing loose.

Ok, Wayne. I hope I'm not totally out of line. You seem to me to be a decent person. I'm sorry you've gone through (going through) so much b.s.

I wish it would end, the b.s., that is.

I wish you could find, sooner than later, both a painfree life and, even more, a life of peace and tranquility.

Hell, I wouldn't mind some of that for myself!

Best to you, Wayne.

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Unread 09-24-2015, 05:24 PM   #404
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Thanks Sam

I am more angry at myself but they did have me in a vulnerable spot.

Oh and bad news. As far as my apt this am, my appts have always been at 10am or 1030am.

Since it had been months since this apt was made I assumed it was at 10am and started the leave at 9am to go see him. Well my apt was at 8:30am. I happened to see it on the my calendar. That in itself shocked me because he his always later getting to my 10am appts. So after wanting to see him for months I missed the appt. I did call and reschedule even though I did tell the girl I spoke with I was going to see a Dr at his former practice, the one that let him go, for a 1st opinion about what he actually did to me.

so after wanting to see this guy so bad, I missed the apt

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Unread 09-24-2015, 06:28 PM   #405
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Oh rats Wayne! i was looking forward to hearing his reaction. But, this might work out even better because you will have seen someone else and have more information / another opinion to tell him.

When are those appointments?

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Unread 09-27-2015, 11:33 PM   #406
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they are a ways out but in a week or two I have an apt with the first surgeon who gave me injections but told me surgery would not be something he would do at this point. He was the guy I told the person who operated on me I had an apt with upon leaving the hospital. The guy that operated on me made it sound as if that the guy who was reluctant to cut on me did not know what he was talking about. I think the guy I am going to with my surgeons records in hand will be surprised, especially when I tell him how this surgery came about.

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Unread 10-04-2015, 02:05 PM   #407
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Hi Nancy, Wayne, Sam...others...Well I am now back to just the one rx per month. I don't know if y'all remember but I was trying to stay with one script per month from just the one doctor. I did ok for about 8 months and then I slipped up a little. I wasn't using every day but it was getting pretty bad. My broke foot is still broke. My shoulder is still missing most of the collar bone and clavicle. Feet still burn. I also have a pretty good tolerance to my meds. At this writing, I am 12 days without any pain meds. Partly because its just become to hard to find them, and partly because I'm tired of the BS. Wayne, I hope things work out for you with the surgery. Good luck.
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Unread 10-05-2015, 06:50 AM   #408
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Hi Dan, glad you let us know how you're doing. How are you feeling without any pain meds now that you're almost 2 weeks without? Is there anything they can do about your broken foot? Yikes.

Wayne, is your appointment with the first surgeon this week or next?

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Unread 10-05-2015, 07:31 PM   #409
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oct the 19th Nancy
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17 days no pain meds...feel ok...occasional sneezing and rls but a soak in a hot tub eliminates the rls..
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Hi Dan, how are your pain levels at this point?

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Unread 10-20-2015, 06:28 AM   #412
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Hi Wayne, how did your appointment go yesterday?

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went to my "normal surgeon". He said most of my pain is related to the arthritis throughout my back and no surgery to fuse any vertebrae would help that. He said he would only operate if the numbness in my leg became shooting pain down my leg.

He was speechless when I told him how this last surgery came about. He said he never received any request for records from the guy that operated on e before I left the hospital. He then said you never had any pain in your neck area did you and I said no. He just shook his head concerning the duy operating in the cervical area.

When I tol him I was scheduled to be dismissed from the hospital as I was done seeing the specialist for which I was admitted. That I was wondering how they could have possibly justified my staying in the hospital as an inpatient from Thurs until the guy operated on me Monday. And it was an elective procedure. I am surprised the insurance company would pay for such a stay. It was like being in a hotel for four days except hotels do not give you IV Diluadid every few hrs.

I was tol they had to somehow justify my stay else the insurance co would have had me leave then come back for the surgery. And the surgeon knew that had I left I would have just went back to the surgeon I saw yesterday who never even considered surgery as an option and for sure in the cervical region. Hell he never even called for an xray in that area. The guy the operated on my cervical spine set up the surgery and got the precertification and then had an xray done. Seems ass backwards to me.

I was told to get my records from the hospital for those four days leading up to surgery when I was kept in the hospital for no other reason that waiting to be operated on. They want to see what codes were turned in concerning why I was there. The most expensive part of any hospital stay is the over night portion. And I stayed over night from Thurs until Monday just waiting on the guy to cut on my neck. It will be interesting to see what they put down as the reason to keep me there to perform a non emergency surgery. I am curious as to who put down the codes to justify it. The hospitialist or the surgeon who did not want several thousands of dollars walking out of the hospital for fear I would not see him in is office(fear that was well founded).

If these codes have me there for a reason that was not really justifiable, then I will speak with my insurance company and explain to them what happened. I was told they could make the surgeon repay the insurance company for those four days leading up to surgery. But like I said I have to find out what Dr did what in terms of me staying there. I did find it odd that after surgery on Monday when the Dr came in and released me Tuesday, it was not the surgeon that discharged me though it was his call. Rather, the hospitalist I had all week came in and released me and he was the one that gave me the post op take home meds, not the surgeon. Once I had been cleared by all the specialist I was admitted to see(the spine Dr was just there to consult almost as an after thought on the part of the hospitalist) then since I remained in the hosp for no other reason than to have the surgery four days later, IMO my care should have been transferred over to the spine Drs because for those four days they were the only Dr who came by the room daily leading up to surgery.

I am getting ,not the Drs records from his office, but the hospital records for those four days leading up to surgery. If they put down codes for things I never had then I will get the ball rolling on that one. Now the guy I saw yesterday whom I trust, told me with no history of cervical pain and the problem in my lower back being related to arthritis( I do have bulging disks and pinched nerves but that is not the cause of any pain at this time) then there was no reason to even fool with my spine in that area. And now I have pain from the neck down which is unrelenting and has been going on for nine months which has caused depression big time.

My Dr yesterday did xray the plate put in my back that has collapsed. He said he would leave it alone since it has healed around it. I told him the other Dr put in his notes on my last visit when I told them I was done with him, that surgery to take the plate out was an option. What a shock. That is why he was let go from the last place he worked. They bought him out to get rid of him because they tired of having to re-do his surgeries and clean up his messes and in most instances the second surgery was a forced pro bono situation as insurance would not pay to correct mistakes.

Hopefully I can get him for insurance fraud depending on what he put down to justify my staying in the hosp leading up to his fulfilling is greedy ambitions. And I have another Dr that said since I had no pain in the cervical area he should not have gone there. When I told him the surgeon told me he could fix my lower back by going thru my neck and into my cervical spine, my Dr from yesterday said no cervical fusion could stop my degenerative arthritis pain.

And he was correct. This past weekend I umpired a womens fast pitch world tournament. I umpired 13 games in 2 days remaining on the field the entire time. I umpired all but four from behind the plate. Six was done that way Sunday in a row. And the pain I felt was in the same area as always. With one exception. I hurt in a new area which is where he put the plate and screws for no other reason than to make the almighty dollar.

Pissed from Tenn

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Unread 10-21-2015, 06:20 AM   #414
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Geez Wayne, I hope you can AT LEAST get him for insurance fraud. Is there any way to get him for malpractice first? That guy is a disgrace to the medical community. When is your appointment with him?

Is there anything they can give you to help with the arthritis pain? There's Humira which has helped a couple of people I know, but with rheumatoid arthritis. Not sure if it would help with degenerative arthritis. Naproxen (Aleve) or aspirin help me with arthritis pain when it gets really bad. But mine isn't degenerative nor rheumatoid.

Like I've mentioned before, I think there are a lot of frivolous lawsuits out there. But this is by no mean frivolous in any sense. He performed surgery when it wasn't needed; and he didn't even perform it properly! I say go after this guy for malpractice and insurance fraud. Malpractice first before he gets thrown in jail for insurance fraud...

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Hey Wayne,

For what it's worth, I SO agree with Nancy. You got burned, North, South, East and West!

Definitely, take that s.o.b. to court and lock the door! He not only injured you, he is a danger to every person that innocently walks into his office looking for professional, and caring, medical help. Instead, these folks are met by a bad doc, no better than a thief in the night.

My experience? Too bad Wayne, but I think you're really up against it, as far as any other med (non-narcotic) that can help relieve the pain from your degenerative arthritic condition. But then, I'm pretty sure you already know this.

As Nancy pointed out, Humira is highly recommended for RA. Unfortunately it does nothing for plain ol degenerative arthritis, which I have, in abundance!, in both of my battered 'n worn knees.

You've probably already tried this other med, a med that actually works for my knees when they're screaming at me. Uh, sometimes works, I guess that's more accurate. Doesn't totally relieve the pain, but is better than simple OTC meds.

Anyway. It's called Voltaren. Needs a script. But if you haven't tried it, it can't hurt. I mean, it ain't great for the stomach, in some people. Doesn't bother me though. And who knows Wayne, it MIGHT offer you the tiniest bit of comfort. Heck, maybe even a little more.

Just a thought.

Best to you, Wayne.

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The Dr I saw yesterday asked me if I had pain in my neck when the guy operated on me. I told him know and he said he didn't think so else he would have xrayed my cervical spine. He did xray my lumbar and thoracic. All the bulging disk and spinal stenosis is in the lumbar region. But where I have hurt the most has been in the thoracic area on the right. the dr yesterday said where my pain was located there was lots of arthritis. I said well widening the spinal canal at C6 and C7 to give the nerves more room to pass thru would have no impact on that kind of pain. He agreed. He told me he would have never taken over a patients care in such a fashion without first getting medical records and talking with the other Dr. He said he had never been called in to consult with a patient while they were there for another reason and performed and elective procedure on them especially knowing that person had an apt with their current back Dr in two weeks. He said it was unethical. I told him that I was told since another Dr had cut on me that he may not want to see me as a patient. He said you never stopped being a patient of mine and saw me first. That I was basically ambushed. After telling him what I had learned about that Dr since, it all made sense as to what he did. He told me he understood what the guy did surgery wise but in my case it was a futile attempt at easing my pain which was the goal. I said that the dr set up the surgery and then did the xrays. He should have known that his surgery in no way would have eased arthritis pain and it was clear that was what was going on. He even asked me where my pain was and he could see from the MRI none of it was related to the nerves. The DR yesterday said he would only operate if the burning and numbness in my right leg turned to pain shooting down my leg. He never considered surgery as an option and the guy in the hospital never considered anything but that.

I talked with my insurance co and all they show is I was in the hospital for 8 days and had surgery. That makes it seem as though that was why I was admitted. I told them I went to the ER due to back pain but the ER Dr admitted me for other reasons. That I was there 4 days before even seeing a back Dr. And he wanted to operate on Monday which is pretty darn quick to schedule surgery. I told the insurance lady that the last 4 nights of my inpatient stay was for nothing more than to wait until Monday to have surgery. That is I had need surgery that badly it would have been done soon after my going to the Er. Had I not been admitted I would have been given a script and sent on my way that same day and they would have never called that back Dr to come see me. I would have kept my apt two weeks later with the guy I saw yesterday. When I was asked if I wanted to see their back Dr I said I would not mind a second opinion. It never dawned on me at all that ten minutes after getting that second opinion I would be agreeing to something that has caused me more pain and not the cure-all he claimed it would be.

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Unread 10-28-2015, 06:50 AM   #417
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Hi Wayne, when do you go to the 'surgeon'? I wonder if you can get your records right from the hospital and get those to the insurance company since it seems like they only got a synopsis of what really happened.

Have you looked into malpractice? This is one time that it just seems so cut and dried that that moron should not have done anything to you.

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Unread 10-30-2015, 09:36 PM   #418
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I was told I would have to find a Dr that said he did something wrong. I am not sure he did anything wrong surgically except misrepresent what the surgery would and could do. I would think operating in an area where I had no pain but now have it all the time, along with the original pain would be something to sue about but I just don't know
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Unread 10-31-2015, 06:58 AM   #419
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Hi Wayne, he had to have done something wrong, especially your after care where you never got that stimulator you were supposed to have. How about just talking with a medical malpractice lawyer to see what s/he has to say. One would think that operating where there is no need is a good start.

Tennessee Bar Association - lawyer referral:
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Here's a link to East Tennessee Legal Aid:
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Unread 11-25-2015, 01:12 PM   #420
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My regular dr that I told the guy who cut on me I was seeing as soon as I was discharged from the hospital ask me if I was having pain in my neck when I had th consult in the hosp. I told my regular surgeon that I told the Dr in the hosp that I had never had pain in my upper back. Well he just shook his head and could not understand why the guy would operate in my cervical area given I had never had the first complaint of hurting anywhere near there.

I told him that the guy that operated on me said he could fix my lower back by operating in the neck area. He told me that where I always maintained I had the most pain could not be helped by surgery that it was degenerative disk arthritis and that is why he put injections in my back but ruled out surgery as a solution. He said I did have stenosis and bulging disks but that all my pain seemed not to be in those areas and surgery would likely make things worse(he was right). He said that Dr should have seen that surgery would not be the solution just looking at your x rays. I said therein lies the problem. He scheduled surgery for Monday after seeing me for five minutes on Wed as a consult. It was not until Friday that he even looked at my xrays of my lower back. He had already made his mind up to operate in my cervical spine and then did the MRI in that area. Talk about putting the cart before the jackass

My dr told me he understood the guys thinking in terms of surgery but in my case it was useless. He said maybe it was old school vs new. No it was non=greed vs greed. When I told him all I learned afterwards about the guy that operated on me he understood even better the logic behind the guys thinking.

I have spoken with lawyers. There really nothing they can or will do. It was not bad surgery it was the wrong surgery on the wrong person and I consented to it.

Ignorance on my part, even though I had no facts about the Dr for whom I gave that consent, I suppose is not defense. If you are a defendant in a criminal trial or the plaintiff in a civil trial, ignorance is not bliss
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Unread 11-26-2015, 05:29 AM   #421
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Hi Wayne, I don't understand how he cannot be sue for malpractice when he approached you in the hospital, under duress and made your pain way worse. People seem to be able to sue doctors for a hell of a lot less. Plus the fact that he lied about the bone stimulator, didn't follow up with you in a proper manner and the possible insurance fraud by lying to keep you in the hospital. I don't think the 'do no harm' part of being a doctor was top of mind for this guy at all. He was more in the line of 'gimme money' instead.

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I am sure if I had a lawyer in he family and we were sitting around and heard my story firsthand he would sue or send me to someone. When you contact an attorney and the girl ask you what happened you can tell her the story but when she relays it to the attorney it must seem not such big. And the attorney I was going to meet with wanted a consultation fee and the girl said if he took the case that 50 bucks would come off my retainer. WTF. I though consults were free and they take only cases they know they can win then get a third. Now most consults are free but my story has to pass the smell test with the lawyer and since I have to tell it to whomever answers the phone and that person passes my story along, I could have had hemorrhoids removed as far as the actual attorney is concerned.
That is why hearsay testimony is excluded from trials. A story, when filtered through other humans, can take on either more or less significance.

Now, my wife, who lay in an ER for 5 hrs with a bleeding aneurysm that went undiagnosed because the Dr assumed she was there for a pain pill and was released after her blood work came back normal(which I think most would expect it to since it was the wrong patronizing test to start with for what she had) only be on life support an hour later and now permanently disabled, well it makes no difference how or who tells that story. Any attorney would've take that case. Lawyers will sue for delayed diagnosis. Imagine no diagnosis where the patient ends up having brain surgery and is left permanently disabled and starts over as a child would start prior to 4 yrs of age. And I been smart and married that would have been a seven figure settlement with a 15 yr old getting a nice trust fund set up for here. But all n all, I just wish the f'ing ER Dr would have just done is job. Or order the Cat Scan operator to do theirs and take a picture of her brain. From onset of symptoms to a coma. Five and a half hrs lapsed. Four and one half of that time was spent lying in a bed in an ER waiting on the results of standard blood work.

Modern technology is fantastic. Humans with prejudice thinking is and always will override the best of care. When that ER Dr learned she was flown to a trauma I hosp due to a brain aneurysm he allowed to go undiagnosed, he called me apologizing and telling me how bad he felt. He went on to say we were good people. Since we never spoke and he saw my wife long enough to tell her her lab work look fine and she could go home, despite the fact she was still hurting from a swelling brain due to a leaking aneurysm, his we are good people comment came from the fact he then realized the ambulance brought her there for a reason and that she was not a drug seeker. Hell she went from her dentist office. If she was a drug seeker she would have gotten a script once the dentist finished. His we are good people comment did not get my attention but when he followed that comment with we get a lot of drug seekers here, well that would have hung is ass in a deposition. Because that explained is thinking the previous 18 hours when he allowed her to lay there without even the thought of putting her in the CT machine. Even a Dr I spoke with said he should have stopped at we were good people. But because of my foolishness, this Dr still has a clean record and my wife struggles daily and we struggle financially. Suing the idiot would not restore the mother daughter relationship. And money cannot buy happiness but in this case it could have bought good care. And although money cannot buy happiness it can help you choose what kind of misery you have.

I can only hope the asshole learned a lesson and other people's lives have been spared. I often wonder why people get so bent out of shape when they hear the word socialized medicine. If it is about quality of care I am proof that non socialized medicine can is not synonymous with quality of care. I say why knock it till you try it. It is always going to rest in the hands of the provider.

There was CT machine ten feet away from where my wife lay. It was never turned on. Had it been, she had plenty of time to be air-lifted to one of two of the best hospitals in the area, have the brain aneurysm clipped, heal and be back to work in no time. Most important her quality of life would have been that of the DR that thought she was there to get drugs. She would have been able to maintain relationships and be a great grandmother. One five minute CT of the head. That's all. They just needed the order from the ER Dr to do it. This Dr was going to get paid the same one way or the other so it wasn't about the money as was the case with my Dr. In this case it was all about his preconceptions that all patients with a headache are faking it to get a pain pill or shot. Any Dr would know that a pain shot is not called for when the problem is in the head until the proper diagnosis is made. My understanding is they do not want to mask the symptoms with pain meds. Then they can ferret out the issue as to whether it is the medical problem causing her to act the way she was acting or was it the pain shot that is making her fade in and out. And even given this guys thinking, that still does not preclude him from searching for the root cause just on the off chance she is not drug seeking.

One would think when the dentist called ahead and said he had a patient in his office who was throwing up, had a massive headache and was having seizures and was told he should have her brought to the ER, and he went with her, that they would have jumped on that right away. Well the Dr did. He had them order routine blood work as soon as she arrived at 6pm. He came in at 10:40pm for the first time just to tell her the her lab work looked ok and she could go home. Oh yeah. And he also said if you get worse come back. Well worse for here was almost sudden death and ended up being permanent ugly and cruel disability. I told the DR chances are if she got worse she would not come back, that she would have been a lot better off had you guys not of even had an ER in this town. She had plenty of time to drive an hour either way to another hospital and still have the problem found and fixed. I wish like hell he had told me from the start that he assumed she was there to get drugs. The most important 4 and one half hrs of her life would not have been spent lying on a gurney in that ER. A place one would think that's precisely where she should be. That particular DR worked there one Thursday a month. Had she been there the day before or after or even earlier before that DR came on duty, she may be ok. I just wish we as patients could know all there is to know about the assholes that care for us. I mean they want to know all there is to know about us when we get there.

My wife had a kidney biopsy last week. The nurse asked her if she could look up her drug profile on the computer. You know that infamous database they keep on all of us. First of all I was shocked she asked. And if my wife had said no, the lady would have damn sure looked it up. but my wife takes only what the kidney Dr gives her. She told the nurse to go ahead and look. Out of curiosity I asked that nurse if she was looking up her meds to see if she was taking something that would jeopardize the biopsy procedure in any way or to find to see if she was a drug addict. The nurse said both. The computer would just tell her the type of meds and frequency. How in the hell could that computer convey to that nurse the mindset of anyone who took the drugs that popped on that screen. It can't. Anything that would pop into that nurses head would be nothing more that an assumption. I think there should be a place where we as patients could go to learn all we could about that person or place treating us. We could make our own assumptions about our provider, be it right or wrong, and get the hell out of there. But we do not have that luxury and there is the unwritten code among Drs, similar to what the mafia has, that basically comes right after the Hypocratic Oath that says Drs shall not say anything bad about another Dr. That is why I was amazed when an ER Dr asked me who operated on me and when I told him he said don't tell anyone I said this because they do not like Drs talking about other Drs, but I would not let that man touch me with a ten foot pole. He is all about the money. He is like going to a barber and asking him if you need a trim. I said well I guess you are going to give me something for and and tell me to follow up with my Dr. I am giving you something for the pain cause knowing your surgeon I am sure you need it but, no, I am not telling you to go back to him. I am giving you the names of other Drs. Would that not have been nice to know ahead of time. When he came into my hosp room to "consult" it would have been nice to log on and see he had been fired from his previous practice and to see they type of things on there that other Drs though of him but won't say. But unlike my medical or pharmacy history that Dr can see then make personal judgments about me and my character, there is nowhere I could have gone to learn about the guy that I was entrusting my care too. Had there been my ass would not be numb typing this.
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Unread 11-28-2015, 06:16 AM   #423
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Hi Wayne, did you try calling anyone from the TN Bar Association Pro Bono list? Here's another link I found.
http://apps.americanbar.org/legalser...tennessee.html
I notice that none have medical malpractice listed, but they may be able to send you in the right direction. It just doesn't seem right that that greedy doctor will have no repercussion to what he did to you.

Is your wife - are they looking for something specific with the kidney biopsy? Like you said, suing over the ignorance and stereotyping of that ER doctor would have been able to provide a lot financially, especially with care for her. I wonder if that doctor did learn anything from it. The best thing would for him to not be an ER doctor. Actually not be a doctor at all. Shame on him.

Did you have your last appointment with the so-called surgeon yet?

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Hi Wayne, I saw a thing on ringing in the ears last night and realized that it's been a real long time since we heard from you. Just wondering how you're doing.

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Hey Nancy and guys. Moved to Knoxville and have been out of touch. Just wanted to say hey. Been umping and working. Back is so so. Ringing in the ears is a bit better probably due to the Benzos the ENT Dr prescribed and in due part I suppose to my brain's adjusting to the noise. Still have those same ol sleep problems. Its been a year now since I stopped taking the Methadone for about six months. Came to my senses pretty quickly even though I will have to say Methadone was a cure all for each of my medical issues. It helped the ringing in the ears, helped my back pain, gives me the ability to sleep once I lay down and it helps with any desire to use opiates but, on that topic, luckily I have no real cravings for or constant thinking of opiates. I just don't think about taking them. Now if someone handed me a script for some I doubt I would let such script go unfilled. I'd get a tow truck to take me to the drug store if I had a flat. So, while I really have no cravings for opiates such as oxycodone, I have zero doubt that I could ever control them once I did get some. Maybe their being so tightly controlled by the ever snooping and mingling DEA is a good thing, just 30 yrs to late for me. I do take a Sub on occasion to see if by chance it helps my pain once I umpire but so far Sub has just not been the pain killer for me it has others.

I think as we get older we outgrow lots of things. Maybe I have outgrown the if one pill is good then 10 is much better. But I am certain as sure as I type this that the opiates that I prefer will always have control over me and not the other way around.

Anyway hey everyone. I'll holla
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Hey Wayne!

So good to hear from you. It has been quite a long time. Good that your back is not as bad as it once was. Faint praise, I suppose. Still, far better to be "so so" than really messed up.

I think you're right about "getting older and out-growing things." That's been my experience with opiates, too. It's not that I'm "cured," though I am many years free from my insane active addiction. I rarely think about taking opiates, despite having two wretched knees. Yet, I am wary. On the occasion, recently, when I've been prescribed pain meds, I've had to alert the entire National Guard. No question that a couple of pills awakens the beast in me.

Anyway.

I am afflicted with the insomnia bug too, as evidenced by it being 1:30am, and I'm typing this post to you. Ha!

You sound pretty well, Wayne. Glad to hear it.

**By the way, I think you're also likely right about the "snooping" Feds, re: prescribing opiates. It's probably a good thing. Certainly with a person like moi. But I do abhor their snooping mania. It really does feel a little mad. AND has increased the heroin addiction problem, and subsequent overdose tragedies too.

Not an easy problem to handle, I agree.

Okay. Goodnight, Wayne.

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Wayne!! "Been umping and working." Please fill me in on the working part, if you want. I'm glad that your back is so so. Kind of weird to say, but it seems better than in the past when it was horrible pain 24/7. When you take bupe on occasion, how much do you take? If you're taking more than 2mg, try a lower dose. It seems to have better analgesic properties in small doses. I keep going back to Temgesic in Europe, which is .2 and .4mg for opioid naive people.

How is Knoxville? I hope it's treating you well. How is your wife adjusting to the change?

I'm really happy you stopped by. I thought of you this spring when baseball started and was hoping you were still umping.

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Nancy, what is temesgic?
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Hi Wrl78, Temgesic is a sublingual buprenorphine-only tablet (no naloxone) that's in the UK, Australia and other countries that's prescribed for pain.

Hope that helps!

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I take little sub mainly because even one strip per day would be my largest monthly expense. I am working for Gia Motors Finance basically a collection agency. They pay min wage but sure do expect max output. They lose an avg of 40 people a month. They bring in a new class weekly to train. There are 3 of us left from my 14 member class that began in April. Seems to me they would me more proficient and efficient if they would pay a decent wage and keep people around. It seems strange to me how they do things.
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