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Unread 09-21-2007, 04:30 PM   #1
hazel_eyez
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Hello everyone, it's comforting to know that there are other people in the world that understand what I am going thru. I have absolutlely no one to talk to. I have been on oxys for 2yr for severe back pain and sciatica. I got an injection in my spine and the pain has subsided, but now I am stuck on these pills. I say every refill that I am going to taper down but cant, sometimes overtake meds. Doc mentioned sub but my ins doesnt cover, lookin into ops to get help. I am very scared to go on this med (sub). Will I be able to function at work? How will I feel, cannot miss any work but maybe i can start meds when I have 2 day off in a row. Anyway, if someone wants to respond please feel free. I appreciate all the info I can get.
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Unread 09-21-2007, 04:38 PM   #2
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Welcome, you now have someone (many) of us to talk to. If you can arrange to start treatment on a weekend, thats what I did. But the sub, for me, had no side effects that kept me from functioning or working. On the contrary, you will feel normal and very good. Dont be scared, you will be very happy to started this. We are here to help. Good luck!

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Unread 09-21-2007, 05:43 PM   #3
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HAZELEYES~ You will be able to function at work and YES starting around couple of days off is IMO the best bet. Everyone is different as it takes a while to get at stable dose...(sub has to build up in your system) BUT MOST people do just fine the first day.... I will say closer you get to starting that MAKE SURE YOU ARE IN MODERATE WITHDRAWL so as to not have precipitated withdrawl. I do not think I waited long enough And I was worse off with sub than without... Once that was over I FELT WONDERFUL!!!

GODSPEED~
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Unread 09-22-2007, 01:09 AM   #4
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Thank you both, so much. I didn't know if I would get a response so quickly. I really have no one to talk to; no one that really understands the stress, fear, pain, ect. that I am going thru. To Sarah, like what is moderate withdrawls? I am in withdrawls every moring before I take my pill, would that be a good time to start?
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Unread 09-22-2007, 01:55 AM   #5
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quote:...like what is moderate withdrawls? I am in withdrawls every moring before I take my pill, would that be a good time to start?
This should give you an idea:


http://www.naabt.org/documents/COWS_...flow_sheet.pdf
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Unread 09-22-2007, 02:03 AM   #6
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HAZEL~ What I thought was horrible withdrawl was nothing compared to what it should have been. I like you, woke up everyday and felt withdrawl but I was taking so many pills that I think I had too much built up in my system. I had taken my last dose of hydro at 11:00 Thursday night and took my first sub at 12;30pm the next day. I had alot of emotional withdrawl and that I think just made it worse. I literally did not go more than 18hrs without pills for 2 years... so I never really new what full blown withdrawl felt like. I can only assume that I had PW because I felt so horrid the first and second day.

PLEASE DO NOT let my situation discourage you though... most people do fine after their first dose. My doctor was in complete awe at the fact I was suffering so badly.

I wish you the best!!!
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Unread 09-22-2007, 02:16 AM   #7
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Very Welcome here. There is a difference btwn addiction and dependence. Your body is obviously dependent. You'll be just fine here at this forum.
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Unread 09-22-2007, 02:30 AM   #8
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Hazel,

You wrote:

." I say every refill that I am going to taper down but cant, sometimes overtake meds."


This tells me that for the most part, you are taking your Oxy as prescribed by your doctor. If this is the case, then I strongly recommend that you first seek other methods of recovery, prior to taking Suboxone. Please do not misunderstand, Suboxone is a good recovery drug and is capable of helping many people. However, you may be one of the fortunate who may not need a medical aid.

Might I suggest the following to you. Try a very long taper plan from the Oxy. Say maybe 6 months, with someone else in control of your pills. Then along with this process, seek private one on one therapy and group recovery therapy. Be it AA, NA, CR, SMART, SOS or the like. Even if you take Suboxone, you will still need to work a full recovery plan if you want to be successful. Why not try it without Sub first. Further, your taper can be very, very slow, with just very small reductions. Again, if you take Suboxone, you are going to be lowering your dose as you go along and will still face a long slow taper at the end. So why not try to skip the step of taking Suboxone?

Further, this web site and all of the wonderful people here, would still be here to support you, on the off topic board.

You know your situation better than I do. I am merely trying to provide you with the best advice I possibly can. If you do choose to go right on with Suboxone, I again must advise to be very careful of getting on too high of a dose. Again, from reading your words above, I cannot see you on a high dose of Sub and most doctors will start you entirely too high.

By the way, when I say try a long slow taper, I am speaking about maybe reducing your daily dose my half a pill at a time! Over a long period. There is no hurry, which if you choose Sub you will learn.

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Unread 09-29-2007, 01:03 AM   #9
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Mike, sorry it took me so long to respond. That sounds like some very good advice. My problem; I am a single mom, I am under HUGE AMOUNTS OF STRESS, just trying to make it to work, keep my house clean, keep food on the table ect....plus dealing with my daughter who is a bipolar teenager. I have been on the oxy's for severe back pain, (sciatica and disc problem) and fibromyalgia. I just got a new job; alot of dealing with the customers face to face. I HAVE TRIED TO TAPER. My body just does not function when i do. Also I realy dont have anyone to keep my meds and dish them out to me. I alrealy requested myself that my doc put me on 2 week refills, thats been about six months. Also I am afraid that this spinal shot will wear off and my pain will be back. To top things off I am very depressed and have bad anxiety when my meds ware off but i have tried several antidepressants and they make me way too spaced out to function??? Pretty Screwed up; huh? I have had no one to talk to about any of this so believe me I am trying to read all the infor I can. I will really consider what you have told me. I am just so glad to have found this site and read all this info about what everyone has gone thru. All this stuff has been bottled up inside me for sooooo long. It's really nice to talk to some people that REALLY UNDERSTAND what I am feeling. One more thing, in your post when you said there is no hurry, THERE IS FOR ME. I dont know how much longer I can go on like this. I am trying my hardest for my daughter, to hold everything together,she is everything to me. Well again thanks for the advice. I hope we can talk again soon. I dont get on the compter as often as I like but we will talk again. Everyone take care.
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Unread 09-29-2007, 03:37 AM   #10
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Well my dear, if you have tried it and couldn't do it, then jump on the Sub-Way! I totally understand and I can see why you want to try Sub. You will do fine. Find a doctor you like and relax.

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Unread 09-29-2007, 04:17 AM   #11
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hazel-eyez,

Hi and Welcome. I too came to Sub through the "permanent, chronic pain route" - 25+ years worth. When hit with menapause and being bedridden almost daily with cluster migraines daily for almost 5 years, my intake of pain meds skyrocketed out. With my injuries it was not a problem getting the medication, what was a problem was a really didn't need all that I was taking.

When the migraines subsided, my intake of meds started to decrease, but I couldn't ween myself down to my small intake of the old days, and I held my life in my hands daily. I wanted to be well and fast, I'd already lost 5 years. So, I started Sub, discussed with my doctor the ins and outs of the pain relief I may or may not get from it, the possibility that at the very most it might just bring me back to taking a reasonable amount of opiate pain medication to deal with my injuries, which are extensive. But we hoped for the best and I thank God I got it.

Sub for me has been a miracle. I started Sub on April 2nd of this year. I went in "knowing" it would help my pain, and it did. I have to dose slightly differently than most since the pain relief aspect is approximately the same as a short acting opiate - but the difference in my energy level, my clarity, my spirit and just my enjoyment of life has made it worth it. No more muddle head, not more naps in the afternoon after work, no more wondering what I just did a few moments ago.

I don't know if this helps with your decision - as my doctor put it - you can always got back to opiates if it doesn't work - but if it does, and I can be this clear headed and engergic at my age, I'll continue to take Sub to deal with my pain as long as it works.

I differently would give yourself a few days to get "settled" on your initial dose - a long weekend, whatever - you should certainly be able to go to work. But I think you'll find that you'll have a lot easier time once your body gets used to the medication, and if it helps with your pain on top of it, you'll find life a lot easier to deal with and actually enjoy. And, if it doesn't help, you can always go back. There are many people here who have dealt with the issue of taking more medication than they feel comfortable with for pain and have switched to Sub. I won't lie to you. It doesn't make you "numb" like a full opiate does - you'll have to deal with some pain, but for me the trade off it not only worth it, it's a blessing, because now I enjoy my life so much more and can do so much more and feel so much more.

Whatever you choose to do, there are many people here to help you. And if you do decide to start Sub and would like some guidance in the effective ways to deal with pain while on it, please don't hesitate to post to me, or ask NancyB for my "recovery" email address.

We're all here for you and pretty much any questions you have you can find an answer to. The issue with the Sub and your insurance may be that you have to have it written as an "addiction" medication - it is written off-label for pain, but that's when the insurance companies put their foot down and decide they won't pay for it, as they won't pay for most "off-label" use of any medication. That's an issue you need to decide whether you want to have in your medical records.

Some people just pay cash for that exact reason - but I should warn you that the medication is not cheap. So weight all the factors. I'm at an age and was at a point in my life where I really didn't care what it took - if I was labeled an addict that was just find with me - because how I feel today and for the last 6 plus months makes it all worth it.

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Unread 09-29-2007, 05:43 AM   #12
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I am very scared to go on this med (sub). Will I be able to function at work? How will I feel, cannot miss any work but maybe i can start meds when I have 2 day off in a row.
Welcome, Oxys affect you WAY more than sub will. The only tricky part is the switch and if you follow directions it will be smooth. It will help if your doctor switches you to a short acting opioid first like Vicodin, for a few weeks. You might be one of the few people who can get by with a short treatment too. Be sure to find an addiction specialist. There is plenty of good info on this site and i urge you to read as much as you can.
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