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Unread 07-28-2015, 01:51 PM   #1
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Hi All,
I've just joined today and have started taking Baclofen out of desperation.
I'm on my second day of Baclofen (tried Rehab / AA etc) at 3 x 10mg dosage.
It seems to already be lessening my cravings but they are still overwhelming in the evening when I finish work.
I guess I am so desperate that I am looking for it to work straight away.
From research it seems prudent to not up the dosage beyond an additional 3 x 5mg every 3 days.
Can anyone confirm whether I could increase the dosage faster? (I have to hold down a senior job so side effects need to be minimal so I can function).
Does anyone have experience of when the cravings and obsession will lift and at what dosage they start to become manageable?
I've read somewhere that it works for some on my current dosage but it hasn't for me yet.

On a separate note, does anyone combine Baclofen with AA? The two methods seem to oppose each other and I'd feel ashamed going to meetings while taking Baclofen. That may be my messed up thinking.

Thank you for any support or advice you can give.
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Unread 07-28-2015, 02:14 PM   #2
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Johnny,

Welcome. Congrats on seeking support for your addiction. I unfortunately have no experience with Baclofen or AA. Plenty of experience with Alcohol though. I would suggest seeking support. Personally I would attend the AA meetings. Do what you need to do to find sobriety, that being the ultimate goal.

I found this family here over 5 years ago and it changed my life and has helped me find sobriety and stay sober. The work is ours alone to do but worth all the effort and time. I drank for most of my adult life, finally getting sober in my late 40's.

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Thanks for the welcome Saint.
I am 43 and have drank for 30 years with all that that entails (as you know).
I am pinning a lot of hope on Baclofen after much research and have to accept that if it is going to work, it will take a number of weeks to reach the correct dosage.
30 years is not going to be reversed in 2 days
I was a bit desperate when I wrote that post, however I do have an appointment to see the UK's leading Dr who uses Baclofen to treat alcoholism next Tuesday so need to be patient and wait for his medical support re. the Baclofen.
I have just caved in and got wine. To be honest, that is an improvement as it's been whiskey of late. It's scary how spirits escalate the addiction.
Thank you again for reaching back to me
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Welcome, Jonny. I don't have any experience with Baclofen or AA either, but it seems to me that in doing both, you would be taking two approaches to ensure your transition to sobriety. And maybe find another kind of support group if AA doesn't work for you. Sobriety has to be the priority, no matter how you get there.
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Hi Jonny, welcome. Just wanted to post the link to a thread where a member used baclofen, there are also more links within that thread to a couple of other people talking about it. You might find that helpful.
http://www.addictionsurvivors.org/vb...ad.php?t=29721

Again welcome and hope to hear more from you during your journey.

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Unread 07-28-2015, 04:28 PM   #6
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Jonny, Welcome to the site. It is great that you are seeking advice about your alcohol problem.

Sorry, I have no experience with Baclofe.

I drank for 42 years. I could not stop drinking on my own. I needed a support group of recovering alcoholics. I have a sponsor & attend several meetings a week. I also use this site helping with suggestions. This helps me stay focused.

I could not imagine never drinking again so I kept drinking. I now break my sobriety down to 24 hour segments. I get up in the morning ask for guidance for another sober day. At night I give thanks for another sober day. I sounds simple but that works for me.

Don't give up think through that next urge to drink. You can do this.

I am now off to a meeting at the county jail with inmates who want to quit drinking. Giving back is another way I stay sober just for today.

P.S. There are a couple of people here who are from your neck of the woods.
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Unread 07-28-2015, 04:34 PM   #7
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Good evening Jonny. Bright blessings to you.

I am in dear old Blighty too, i applaud your efforts into sobriety.

I accept for some the likes of medication is the way to go, if you need some referral to "leading Drs" i can help here in Blighty.

May i suggest you do this in tandem?

If you feel meds are the way that is fine.

I have meds.....some i really don't like when i have to take them.

You can get them here from the Dr.

R Lee, Saint, Nancy, Nan, Jenm, Lost Dog, Millie, dear Alexis, a Susie going through stuff so hard for any of us. I Am Trying struggling with his lot, yet he gives us so much strength, Secret tiger, messing through the jungle within him.

And so here we are our new friend.

You know what our new Brother?......i will probably have left someone out.

That is what makes us so strong.

Sharing, caring, will help.

Be peaceful, be healthy and be strong. Welcome and Loveness Jonny.
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Unread 07-28-2015, 05:11 PM   #8
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Hey Jonny, good to have another UK member of this family are you North or South?

Hoping your evening is going ok & you are safe.

Share with us, and things feel easier.

Love & Peace.... x
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Unread 07-28-2015, 06:01 PM   #9
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Good evening my UK friends. I'm based in London.
Had one bottle of wine tonight and 5mg Valium. This is an improvement on recent weeks. I continue the Baclofen dosage tomorrow.
I'm putting off going back to AA and getting my sponsor back until I have seen the Bacofen specialist next Tuesday.
I bid you good night
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Unread 07-28-2015, 06:12 PM   #10
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P.s. I currently feel ashamed if I were to share the half of it on an open forum.
I'm cross addicted to a few things. I'm more addict than alchoholic although alcohol is my primary addiction. I didn't realise this when I took myself into rehab for coke and then had to stop it.
What am I saying, no-one knows me so here goes:
I have been addicted to benzos for years and am on a medically supervised taper.
Last night, and often when drunk, I've ordered pure cocaine which will arrive in a day or two and spells disaster mentally but I can't not have it now it's ordered.
I am also addicted to Tinder after my relationship of 10 years ended but hey, that's a story in itself.
My purpose here was to get Baclofen advice and support as I feel that if I stop the alcohol, the destructiveness it causes will diminish everything else.
E.g. I never order coke unless drunk. There are no rash decisions etc.
Ultimately I don't feel comfortable in myslef and therefore have always self-medicated.
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Unread 07-28-2015, 06:20 PM   #11
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I dont really know why i came here Jonny, but im so glad i did because i have met some of the most amazing people. We share everything, our heartbreak, our joy, our struggle, our depression, suicidal thoughts, day to day runnings and happy memories. Thats why we call it our family.

I hope that you stick around and become part of it. Share everything because trust me, it helps. These people are wise, they have incredible advice to share.

I understand completely what it is like to self medicate due to being uncomfortable with who you are. I drink because i want to numb my feelings, i used to take coke and pills for the same reasons.

You say you have to have the coke now you ordered it, how about it flush it once it arrives? it would be a strong positive step.

London hey? Well you are much closer to Tryn than me, im up in Manchester!

Have a peaceful night Jonny xx
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Unread 07-28-2015, 06:50 PM   #12
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Thanks for your words Alexis.
I feel I can't flush it as it's always 'one last time'. My justification was the baclofen will kick in and cure me soon?! Plus at 96%, he's only just got this quality in (had it last weekend) it costs a fortune. Plus it feeds a porn addiction that I only have on coke. I really do have the full spectrum of addictions.
I know how bad it will make me feel after but how good I will feel on it. I crave that release, empty and soulless as it is.
I am, perhaps blindly, putting my faith in a baclofen 'cure'.
I have done so much research on it so hoped I'd meet people who had also tried it.
Thanks for your understanding and kind words.
Excuse typos. This site is hard on a mobile!
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i understand, and im sure others will have better, more wise advice to give you soon.

I struggle to contain that release too. I slip up on my journey far too often.

Have you had therapy or anything for your addictions? Not rehab but talking therapy?

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Unread 07-28-2015, 07:22 PM   #14
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Good evening Jonny. Bright blessings to you.

Over time, (it does not take long) you will find this is not a "forum" perse, but a family.

We watch each others back.

Be peaceful, be healthy and be strong. Loveness to you Jonny
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Best Wishes Johny, I'm not sure if you said you were ever in rehab to help you withdraw? It's a good step to come and post and be here. I hope each day brings you a better tomorrow and only the best for you.
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i understand, and im sure others will have better, more wise advice to give you soon.

I struggle to contain that release too. I slip up on my journey far too often.

Have you had therapy or anything for your addictions? Not rehab but talking therapy?

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Hey Alexis. I had addiction councelling for 18 months but all he did was convince me I was an addict (was in so much denial) and tried to get me to go to AA meetings. That was pretty much it.
My last AA sponsor said I needed to be clean for 2 months and at step 7 before I was ready for therapy.
I know I need some as have unresolved stuff but don't know where to start and I don't think it would break the cycle of drinking hence my desperation for Baclofen to work.
Although I'm pretty worried about the side effects and I'm only on 3 x 10mg and can feel it.
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Best Wishes Johny, I'm not sure if you said you were ever in rehab to help you withdraw? It's a good step to come and post and be here. I hope each day brings you a better tomorrow and only the best for you.
Yep I was in Rehab last summer for 28 days. Most of the time in denial of my step 1.
I went in for a coke problem.
I came out and found it was the booze that I couldn't kick.
It was a most amazing experience though with beautiful characters who became friends.
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Unread 07-29-2015, 02:57 PM   #18
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Does anyone know how to subscribe to a thread?
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If you see "thread tools" right above this thread, click it, and subscribe is one of the options.
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Good evening Jonny. Bright blessings to you.

Yes, indeed, meeting those who are struggling in their own lives, can show us who not only who "they are", but who we are too.

There are beautiful people all over this wonderful world, that is if our eyes are open.

Be peaceful, be healthy and be strong. Loveness to you Jonny
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Unread 07-29-2015, 03:41 PM   #21
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How are you tonight Jonny?
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Unread 07-29-2015, 08:23 PM   #22
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Jonny,

Welcome to the group...I have no experience in medications...I am sure you are aware of your problems and addictions, I think you need to think thru and see how you want to get rid of them...easier said than done..I say that because - from your post it looks like you want one substance because of other and vice versa...

If you want to quit flying, you cannot just quit flying helicopter and still fly a jet. Think thru the complications...I am no expert but just that is my thought.

my strategy is I live one day at a time, and I worry for just one day. I remember my saying everyday by posting here -
" One day at a time, I am responsible for my actions and their consequences, Think thru the first urge and drink...relax and focus" - this sets tone for my day...and I honestly abide by it, though mind plays tricks due to cravings but I am stubborn and I make sobriety as priority. The craving go away after couple of months, but you need to work on your social settings, situations, places, triggers.. and be serious about it, I mean quitting.

Well, I don't want to overwhelm right away, but please analyze yourself, it's your body, your liver and your mind. You get only one of these in this lifetime. You are the only one who can control the damage or having them killed slowly. You can get all the advise in the world you can - but you are the one to make it happen and up-to you. You will find all the support here, No body judges anybody here, we screw up, we fail, but we pick up and keep moving, Moving in the direction of sobriety.

Jonny, Take one day at a time, or one moment at a time, start there....

Good day friend...
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Unread 07-29-2015, 08:49 PM   #23
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Great advice there iamtrying. You can't half want it.
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Unread 07-30-2015, 04:59 AM   #24
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You are right. I have been using the Baclofen as an excuse to give up trying myself and becoming a slave again getting a bottle as soon as I finish work each nght.
Last night when I was in bed I was so full of anger (at myself I guess) and started having suicidal thoughts.
I woke up in despair then I read the 2 posts below and it reminded me that all I have is today and I will never be able to stop unless I put some effort in.

So... I read the AA Just For Today card and commited to not regretting the past or mourning a future that hasn't happened today and that for today, I will TRY and not have a drink.
I then did 10 minutes meditation.
Then I planned that after work, instead of getting a bottle and sitting on my own in despair, I will go for a run or walk in the park and phone loved ones.
That's the plan anyway. Finishing work is a MASSIVE trigger for me but going for a run or walk and speaking to people HAS to be better than drinking on my own, hating myself, anger and despair.

Maybe the Baclofen will help, maybe not, but I can't just resign myself to relying only on them and live in misery in the meantime.

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For anyone who's reading this for Baclofen, I am on day 4 of the medication and have upped the dosage from 3 x 10mg to 3 x 15mg as of today.
I have so far drank every night on them but therapeutic dose is supposed to be between 100-200mg per day.
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Hi Johny, I am so sorry to hear about your night. Can you call a hotline at that time, please do, I care about you.
alcohol and depression do not mix, the alcohol increases anxiety and depression and rears itself throughout the day after you drink. If you get through that urge as Iamtrying and R.Lee talk about everyday, you can reach the morning and see that the night was better. You made it and you can do it hour by hour and then day by day. Sometimes, that little voice will tell you all kinds of drinking encouragement, but then you have to engage yourself elsewhere. Seek a friend, go to a meeting, post, call. The worst day sober is better then any day drinking. It really is. The past is not here anymore.
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Also, do something after work that is different, your habit is to drink then and your body knows it too, so break that. Best wishes to you!
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Jonny, Never stop quitting. You can do it.
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Hi Jonny. So sorry to hear about your rough night. It does sound like you learned from it.

Lest lostdog's brief message get lost, I want to reiterate the idea that you should change your routine when you're off work.

One of my triggers was driving home from a night class. Someone here suggested taking a different route home. I balked silently but tried it, and it did help. I didn't pass by the store where I often stopped for a bottle of wine. Just went home. And instead of sitting on the couch and turning on the TV when I got home, I made a snack and did a crossword. It sounds so simple, but changing routines can be huge.

I'm glad that you saw you were relying too much on Baclofen. I was worried about that but wasn't quite sure how to approach it. This will be a struggle, it will take effort, and unfortunately there's no pill that will make it just go away. But you can do it! You're worth it.
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Johnny,

Addiction is powerful stuff. No doubt about it. Think of it as addictive thinking. It is no more about alcohol, or coke, or sex, or gambling. It is why we choose these behaviors ,what we are hiding from, seeking substances or gratification elsewhere in lieu of dealing with our 'stuff'. We can get past the physical addiction. It is the mental addiction if you will that we ultimately need to address if we want to find sobriety and live there, live sober.

Be kind to yourself during this process. We didn't become addicts overnight, we shouldn't expect to be cured over night.

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Thanks all for your kindness.

I went for the walk after work.
It's been a day of increased baclofen and some unwanted & scary side effects.
However, I started to get used to them after work.
An amazing thing happened today. I have had zero cravings for a drink tonight. I thought about it but the idea just didn't appeal to me. This is at 50mg over the day.
I have to say that I am amazed as I have NEVER not had cravings or an obsession after work.
I'm going to bed sober for the first time in quite a while.
I'm not saying this is a magic pill. The side effects need managing, especially in a work situation. Apparently they get better as your brain adjusts.

Something happened today.
All of these scientists and people posting about a miracle pill can't be wrong? The French national health service prescribe it to 50,000 addicts.

I'll keep you posted. I know this sounds too good to be true.
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Jonny,

Good to hear that...make sobriety as priority ...be strong. Make sure you eat food. Take one moment at a time, you can do it. Have a good night.
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My best for you. Hope it works. Have a great sober night

For me I just can't be alcohol free to be sober. I have to work on my stinking thinking or else I'm a dry drunk.
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Best wishes, continue to work on yourself and positive ways in life. You will become a strong sober grateful person and have a fulfilled life. One day at a time. Have a great sober evening.
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I tried AA for a year and could never get much more than 3 weeks.
Demorilising and painful to always be relapsing. Hence my desperate search for another way to stay sober.
My plan is to go back once I have stabilised on Baclofen.
I have an amazing sponsor, he is on board with what I'm doing and his support remains there for me when I go back.
Meeting him next week.
AA (I) couldn't keep me sober for any length of time although I love the spiritual principles, the Steps and mixing with my 'people'.
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Jonny - Never give up...always have a plan and work the plan. Be honest to yourself and make sobriety as priority...good day friend.
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